Thursday, June 23, 2005

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Here are quick descriptions of each of the previous editions of Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed.

To see if they are true or false, you have to click on the link!

#1 - Jim Shooter wrote comic books when he was 13 years old.

Mark Gruenwald's ashes were mixed in with the printing of a comic book.

DC must publish at least four issues of Wonder Woman a year or else lose the rights to the property.



#2 - Youngblood was a reworking of a pitch Rob Liefeld made to DC for Team Titans.

Jim Steranko was the inspiration for the escape artist character in Michael Chabon's Kavalier and Klay as well as Jack Kirby's Mister Miracle.

Fawcett Comics had to stop publishing Captain Marvel because it lost a copyright lawsuit brought by DC Comics.


#3 - Al Milgrom was fired by Marvel after sneaking an insult to Bob Harras into a comic book.

Wonder Girl was added to the Teen Titans by mistake.

Swamp Thing is a rip-off of Man-Thing/Man-Thing is a rip-off of Swamp Thing.


#4 - Artist Joe Jusko dressed up as Captain America for the cover of a comic book.

DC changed the outcome of a comic book because the original ending had been leaked to the public.

Nicolas Cage took his last name from Luke Cage, Hero For Hire.



#5 - All-Star Comics #3 was an inter-company crossover.

Marvel changed the names of X-Force, Deadpool and Cable to avoid paying Rob Liefeld royalties.

Woody Allen was once featured in an issue of DC's Showcase.



#6 - After the Captain Marvel decision, DC bought Fawcett's characters.

DC had a Superman storyline set during the Holocaust that did not mention the word "Jew" or "Jewish."

Mark Bagley got his start by winning the original Marvel Try-Out Contest.



#7 - DC had an ongoing comic that simply repackaged old TV tie-in comics.

The woman on the cover of House of Secrets #92 (Swamp Thing's first appearance) is Louise Simonson.

Superman once got into trouble for spilling American nuclear secrets.



#8 - Jimmy Olsen, Perry White, the Daily Planet and Kryptonite all appeared on the Superman radio show before they ever appeared in the comic book.

C.C. Beck based Captain Marvel's appearance on a movie where Fred MacMurray daydreams about being a superhero.

A DC comic character invented in 1964 did not make his debut until 1992.



#9 - Marvel and DC own the trademark of the word "Super Hero."

DG Chichester left Daredevil with #332.

Christopher Priest killed off a character in a comic because of ownership rights.


#10 - DC dictated the format of Marvel comics for more than a decade.

Thunderstrike was outselling Thor and Avengers combined when it was cancelled.

Charlton printed its comics using a cereal box press.



#11 - Marvel killed off a Thunderbolts character because of a rights problem.

John Byrne left Jack Kirby off of the 20th anniversary cover of Fantastic Four.

Roger Stern left Avengers over Captain Marvel's leadership of the team.



#12 - Marvel HAS to publish a Captain Marvel comic book.

Lisa Marie Presley made Nicolas Cage sell his comic collection.

Aquaman's first cover appearance was with the Justice League, nineteen years after he first appeared!



#13 - Justice Society of America was cancelled for a reason other than sales.

The Protector was created to co-star with the Titans in the pages of their Anti-Drug comic book.

In 1975, Marvel came up with four new titles in one lunch.


#14 - Destiny and Mystique were intended to be Nightcrawler's parents.

Marvel Comics licenses the use of the name "Hulk" to Hulk Hogan.

For almost a decade, there were born again Christian comics produced starring the Archie characters.



#15 - Walt Simonson based the concept of the Time Variance Authority in his Fantastic Four run on the Time Lords from Doctor Who.

Kevin Smith killed off Mysterio without permission from the Spider-Man office.

Mickey Spillane wrote comic books.


#16 - Steve Skeates reworked an unused issue of Aquaman as an issue of another comic for ANOTHER company - TWICE!

The Human Torch was replaced by H.E.R.B.I.E. in the Fantastic Four cartoon because the network was afraid that kids would, inspired by the Torch, set themselves on fire.

Steve Englehart brought a character with him from Marvel to not one, but TWO other comic companies!


#17 - Steve Ditko does not use the original art that Marvel has returned to him, except sometimes as CUTTING BOARDS!

Robert Loren Fleming is dead.

The first Marvel/DC crossover was The Wizard of Oz.


#18 - The recent Norman Osborn/Gwen Stacy relationship in Amazing Spider-Man was never intended to occur!

The Golden Age Green Lantern's name was originally Alan Ladd.

Elliot S! Maggin's big break came from a story he got from Jeph Loeb!


#19 - Dave Cockrum once sold the same character to both DC and Marvel...at the same time!!!

Wonder Woman creator William Moulton Marston invented the polygraph test!

John Byrne wrote TWO separate first issues of Blood of the Demon!


#20 - The characters in Watchmen were originally meant to be based on a defunct line of superheroes.

When Len Wein created the "All New, All Different" X-Men, he created Thunderbird with the intention of killing him off two issues later, which is what he did.

A character once escaped from X-Men custody in 1977 and did not have the plot resolved into another comic book...thirteen years later!!


#21 - Wolverine was initially intended to be a genetically mutated wolverine.

Superman's secret identity was made up by combining the first names of two popular pulp heroes.

Dazzler's life was saved by Marc Silvestri.


#22 - Joker was originally killed off in his SECOND appearance!

Marv Wolfman created Black Cat as a foil for the Amazing Spider-Man

Renee Montoya was invented for the cartoon show before she appeared in the comic books.


#23 - Bruce Banner got a new first name due to Stan Lee's forgetfulness

The recently killed off Phantom Lady, Human Bomb and Black Condor are in the public domain and are not actually owned by DC, therefore with their deaths, anyone can now come along and publish stories about them

Speedball was invented for the New Universe.


#24 - Marvel UK turned Killraven into "Apeslayer."

James Robinson decided to kill off a group of superheroes to show how deadly Jack Knight's ememy, The Mist, was.

Joe Orlando illustrated the famous depictions of Sea Monkeys.


#25 - DC was forced to change La Renard Rouge ("The Red Fox")'s name to "Crimson Fox

Grant Morrison's script for BULLETEER didn't actually request that level of cheesecake, and certainly didn't ask for the lead character to spend most of the issue in her underwear.

The film Hardware just took the movie's story from a 2000 AD comic.


#26 - US Postal Laws made for some interesting comic title transitions.

Hank Pym appeared in comics BEFORE the Fantastic Four!

The DC character Triumph was gay.


#27 - Firebreather was originally the son of Fin Fang Foom

Devin Grayson named herself after Dick Grayson.

John Byrne's 2112 was initially designed as a launch of Marvel 2099.


#28 - Spider-Woman was created by Marvel to secure a trademark.

Akira Yoshida is a pseudonym.

Spider-Woman ended up getting Wolverine's original origin.


#29 - Kurt Busiek came up with the idea for Jean Grey's return.

Triathlon was gay.

Kurt Busiek was NOT the first choice for Untold Tales of Spider-Man


#30 - Frank Brunner and Steve Englehart faked a fan letter to themselves.

Mike Deodato used to draw four books a month during the mid-90s.

Ferro Lad was originally meant to be black.


#31 - Frank Miller's lack of interest in Batman continuity ended up with Barbara Gordon being adopted.

Jack Kirby drew the very first cover featuring Spider-Man.

Steve Englehart protested an editorial decison by Marvel by using the pseudonym John Harkness.


#32 - The GI Joe series was partially based on a previous Marvel pitch Larry Hama made to Marvel.

The famous "Silent Issue" of GI Joe was originally meant to have dialogue in it, but it was left out due to some sort of error.

One of the G.I. Joes was based upon Larry Hama himself.


#33 - Marvel is sitting on an unpublished Peter Bagge Hulk comic book.

Stan Lee created the Black Marvel

Aquaman was not from Atlantis for his first eighteen years of existence.


#34 - Jimmy Carter's diplomatic policies led to the Contest of Champions.

Kieron Dwyer is John Byrne's son.

DC produced a completely different version of Emerald Twilight before it was scrapped.


#35 - Elliot S! Maggin's first comic book work was originally written for a college class.

Wolverine's costume was patterned in part on the uniforms of the Michigan Wolverines football team.

Ernie Chan had to be credited under a different name for years due to a typographical error.



#36 - Rob Liefeld once drew a book in landscape style without being asked, leading to the book having to be cut and paste to look like a normal comic book.

Simon Bisley once drew a penis on Lobo's arm on a comic cover.

Batman and Superman began to team-up because of inflation



#37 - Elvis Presley based his famous hairstyle upon Captain Marvel, Jr.

The character Nightveil had to take her name because of violating a DC Comics trademark.

Steve Ditko once had a story censored for using the devil in a comic.



#38 - Electronic ankle bracelet monitors were created based on a Spider-Man comic strip.

Frank Miller coined the term "The Dark Knight"

Green Lantern lost the cover of his own comic book to his dog.



#39 - An artist who wrote and drew a comic book adventure of fighter pilots became an actual flying ace himself during World War II.

A change in postal laws led to the elimination of letters pages in DC comic books.

The Comics Code Authority once banned not the content of a comic, but the art style of the artist.



#40 - The Hulk is green because of poor color separations.

Chuck Austen was J.D. Finn

William Gaines pretty-much single-handedly destroyed 3-D comic books.



#41 - Jack Kirby sued Marvel Comics.

Marvel changed the name of the Black Panther because of the political group by the same name.

Blue Beetle was originally going to star in a weekly comic anthology BEFORE DC came up with Action Comics Weekly.


#42 -
Gerry Conway did not intend to include the "snap" in the death of Gwen Stacy

The woman who was the titular basis for Kitty Pryde has since changed her name due to unwanted comic book fan attention.

Apocalypse was originally going to be the Owl.


#43 -
Julie Schwartz once had to write a comic story in a day because of an mistaken cover instruction

When Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa and Steve McNiven began work on their Fantastic Four run, it was intended to appear in the pages of the regular Fantastic Four

Dr. Strange has a daughter named Sofia.


#44 -
The original ending of Marvel vs. DC involved the two companies swapping two characters, but this ending was changed due to external pressure.

Almost all the Inner Circle of the Hellfire Club were based on famous actors, both visually and titularly

Fred Hembeck Destroys the Marvel Universe was held back for five years because of Justice League of America vs. The Avengers.


#45 -
She-Hulk was created based upon a rumor.

Mad became a magazine because of the Comics Code.

Alan Scott intentionally created a garish costume.


#46 -
Dave Cockrum's resignation letter from Marvel was placed into an issue of Iron Man as a prank.

Orson Welles once teamed up with Superman.

Michael Fleisher's Spectre issues had so many problems with script continuity that they needed a separate writer to keep the continuity straight.


#47 -
Marty Nodell created the Pillsbury Doughboy.

New editions of Grant Morrison's Zenith tradepaperbacks were printed but are currently stuck in a London warehouse due to rights issues.

Marty Pasko wrote a short prose story for Marvel Comics under the name "Kyle Christopher."


#48 -
Dazzler was created as a cross-promotion between Marvel and Casablanca Records.

DC stopped letting writers edit their own titles in an attempt at squeezing Jack Kirby from the company.

John Byrne's first Fantastic Four work as writer/artist originally was meant for a Coca-Cola giveaway."



#49 -
In the comic books, Superman was declared 4-F because he accidentally read the eye chart in another room with his X-Ray vision.

The Spectre had a comic relief sidekick.

Wildcat was inspired to become a superhero by the comic book character Green Lantern."


#50 -
John Romita broke into comics pretending to ink for penciller, while the penciller was actually inking Romita's pencils!

The Super-books were not going to marry Clark and Lois until the TV show got involved.

Venom was originally going to be a woman.


Ta da!

69 Comments:

Blogger Marionette said...

The link to part 14 is broken. It seems to have an extraneous bit of code at the end, as it works if you remove the characters after .html

9/12/2005 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

Fixed, Marionette!

Thanks for the heads up!

9/12/2005 05:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmm..I'm all out of Urban Legend posts:-( booooo!

11/21/2005 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

#36 isn't working - it takes you to #35.

2/10/2006 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

here's the link for #36

http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2006/02/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-36.html

2/11/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a fun urban legend that I've heard (I know it's not true, but it's still fun). Uncanny X-Men #137 was not approved bt the Comics Code becuase Jean Grey commits suicide.

2/28/2006 02:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I discovered this yesterday (March 2, '06), thanks to a link on Fred Hembeck's blog, and posted a few comments. Came back today to see if there's been any response, and noticed how old the last batch of urban legends was. So old that I doubt if anyone's gone into any of the items lately. (On proofreading this, that struck me as something that somebody might take as criticism or sarcasm or some such. Please believe me, nothing but an observation of the situation was intended.) On the one about Bruce Banner's first name getting messed up by Stan Lee, somebody mentioned the "David" usage in the 1977-82 TV version, which brought to my mind another comics-related urban legend: The late '70s Saturday morning Fantastic Four cartoons by the Depatie/Freleng company (their last work, if memory serves) replaced the Human Torch with a robot named H.E.R.B.I.E.--true enough--out of fear that kids would set themselves afire attempting to emulate Ol' Hothead. In a circa 1990 interview for the "Amazing Heroes" magazine, Doug Wildey claimed to be part of the decision (but he had worked for Hanna-Barbera of the 60s version, not D-F), and John Byrne did a story using that concept during his run as FF writer/artist, but it is just not true. The rights were licensed out as part of the same deal that spawned the aforementioned Hulk series, as well as a Spider-Man series, two Captain America movie/pilots, and one with Dr. Strange. The budget wasn't big enough for the effects the producers needed, so the project was scrapped. Another character that didn't get past development then was Sub-Mariner, because a show called "The Man From Atlantis" got on the air. Ironically, Marvel made a comic version of THAT!

3/03/2006 04:53:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

Ted, I actually tried to e-mail you yesterday to let you know that I HAVE been reading your responses to the older entries, and it's been good stuff.

However, the available e-mail (an aol one) did not work, so, well, I was unable to contact you. So I suppose I might as well tell you here. Thanks for the comments, and don't worry, I'm always catching up to see if anyone responded recently.

As for the HERBIE one, I actually featured that one already. It was in #16.

But, please, always feel free to drop me some good urban legends. I'm always looking for new ones!

Feel free to e-mail me as well, cronb01@aol.com

3/04/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brian'

There must be a typo in that email address you posted here, as I've tried to write you twice and had it bounced back as a delivery failure both times. The second time, I changed what I had read as the numeral "one" to the lower case letter "L," but the only difference was that it took about ten minutes to come back instead of doing so immediately, which the first one did. Please do something. Thanks.

3/16/2006 04:47:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

The letters cronb, then the numbers 01 and then @aol.com.

Has that been what you were using?

3/23/2006 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Urban legend suggestion: Actually, I don't know that this qualifies as an U.L. or just a mystery, since I've never encountered a suggestion that anybody else suspects it, but I've wondered about this ever since the underlying event happened in the mid-70s. At that time, DC instituted a new policy, prohibiting an editor from writing for his own comics. They even changed the job title, with "Story Editor," if memory serves. It didn't last long, and was history when Roy Thomas arrived from Marvel (Gerry Conway also edited his Firestorm revival, Fury of....). As the new policy went into effect, the first issue of Kobra was published, a comic created, plotted and pencilled by Jack Kirby, but admitted to have been reworked by scripter Martin Pasko, with the artwork retouched, by Pablo Marcos, I think. The question: Was the new rule motivated by a desire to get rid of Kirby, who was essentially running his own company out of his studio, and putting out comics that the vast majority thereof suffered from poor sales and quick cancellations (in those pre-direct-distribution-to-comic-shops days)? Please note that no disrespect whatsoever to the King on my part is intended by the above theorizing.

3/28/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a strange aside to the "Bruce/David Banner" issue. Back in the mid-1980's, when I was about 16, I went to see Stan Lee speak at Western Illinois University in (very small) Macomb, Ill. It was a great show, and Lee was a friendly and energetic speaker, kindly suffering many fans who came up to him with reams of stuff to sign, shaking hands, cracking jokes, and generally being a very fun guy to watch, at least if you were a Marvel-crazed teenager like my younger self.

One thing that changed the mood of the evening, however, was a disscussion of film & TV adaptions of Marvel comics. Lee railed with genuine anger about the then-in-pre-production Cannon Films "Spider-Man" movie, urging the audience not to go see it (It was never made. The same idiots, however, did finish their obscene "Captain America" movie. Yes, the one where Cap has rubber ears). He also claimed the mercifully brief "Spider-Man" TV show was a very humiliating experience for him. He was hired as a on-set consultant, only to have all of his advice angrily ignored or laughed at, with the crew dissmissing him as just a "Comic book person".

The strangest revelation, however, concerned the "Hulk" TV show. Lee said it felt it was probably the best Marvel adaptation, but felt it had been hampered by network Standards and Practices censors.
The weirdest S&P demand concerned the name of the Hulk's alter ego: Lee claimed the network would not let them use the name "Bruce" because, Lee claimed, they felt the name had "Homosexual connotations"! Lee was utterly flabergasted by this, as any sane person would be, but it was an issue the network refused to budge on, so the change was made.

4/26/2006 10:51:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

It's definitely something I've tried to look into, Richard. I, for one, just don't buy someone giving that as an official reason - it's just SO offensive. The other explanation has it that the name "Bruce Banner" was deemed stupid because of the alliteration. I have been trying to get a good answer on this one for awhile. Look for it! :)

4/27/2006 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, at least now I know how the "Bruce [Banner] is a gay name" story got started, but I stand by my statement posted on the CBUL edition with the specific "Bruce/Robert-Bruce" item on it that TV "Hulk" developer/executive producer Kenneth Johnson was on the public record at the time as changing it because of the alliteration. I think it was his interview in Marvel's "The Hulk!" color magazine of the time (which started out as a b&w called "The Rampaging Hulk"), but it might have been an article in either TV Guide or a newspaper's entertainment section. I suppose Johnson's statement COULD have been PR CYA, but, of the two claims, that one makes much more sense in the first place.

Mentioning that mag reminds me of something: It was announced in the letter column there that Howard Chaykin had prepared a knockout finale for his Dominic Fortune series running in its back pages, but color was dropped from the mag, they consequently couldn't do his art justice, and didn't print the story. (As I recall, the editor never said another word about the situation, nor published a letter asking about it, for whatever that might be worth.) That piece struck me as a prime candidate for presentation in "Marvel Fanfare," but never appeared there, either. Does anybody know if it has ever been published, if so where, and if not why not? I mean, Marvel certainly has made subsequent use of the character, arguing against some legal dispute with Howie being in the way, unless rights to the specific story/pages of art is the issue. I ask again, anybody know something?

4/28/2006 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i would think black+white would be better repesentative of someone's artwork...?

12/05/2006 09:58:00 PM  
Blogger Matthew Johnson said...

Two points:

1) Re: the Hulk's name, I recall a Mad parody of the TV show in which the same point was made -- Banner asks why his name has changed and some other character says it's because "Bruce" isn't manly enough -- while on a TV in the background Bruce Jenner is winning the Olympic marathon.

2) A possible UL: I recall hearing/reading somewhere that you can tell which early Marvel characters Stan Lee scripted himself, and which he farmed out to his brother Larry, by whether or not they have the famous alliterative initials. I may have read something about it in the '70s hardcover ORIGINS OF THE SUPERHEROES but I don't have a copy handy.

Great blog!

Matthew
www.zatrikion.blogspot.com

9/13/2007 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, here's one that's not too much of an urban legend, but it's hard to find definitive proof of it (apologies if you've heard this before)

Was Ben "The Thing" Grimm based on Jack "The King" Kirby, in human appearance and personality?

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