Thursday, March 23, 2006

Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #43!

This is the forty-third in a series of examinations of comic book urban legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous forty-two.

Let's begin!

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Julie Schwartz once had to write a comic story in a day because of an mistaken cover instruction

STATUS: True, just that it was Bob Kanigher, not Julie Schwartz

Reader Dave Lartigue dropped me a line about a possible urban legend he was curious about,
I was fortunate enough to hear Julius Schwarz speak at a comics con. He basically reminisced about old times, and it was a very entertaining talk. He told one anecdote that has stuck with me.

He said that during his days at DC he was looking at the proof for a cover to a war comic. He felt that some element on it needed to be moved down, so he wrote on the proof "Drop One Inch". Someone misinterpreted his instruction, thinking there was a story called "Drop One Inch" in the book and changed the cover to announce this. The cover was then printed and Schwarz was alarmed because now it was announcing a story that wasn't inside. Consequently, he had to quickly write a story called "Drop One Inch" to cover the goof.
After doing some checking, I found that Julie Schwartz told this same story a few years back, but when speaking of the recently departed Robert Kanigher.

Said Schwartz then (in a press release DC Comics issues upon Kanigher's passing),
Longtime officemate Julie Schwartz considered Kanigher a fast and versatile talent. "There was one day when he was looking at a cover," Schwartz recalls, "and it didn’t look right, so he wrote a note on the side that said, ‘drop an inch,’ meaning to adjust the art somehow. Anyway, the page came back with a caption added that read ‘Drop an Inch!’ So Kanigher immediately sat down and wrote a story called ‘Drop an Inch.’ I think he did it over his lunch hour."
Looking into the matter, I discovered the following.

July 1958's G.I. Combat.

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Right there on the cover, "Drop an Inch."

The first story? A nine-page Robert Kanigher story titled "Drop an Inch."

I think we can safely say that this one is true.

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: When Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa and Steve McNiven began work on their Fantastic Four run, it was intended to appear in the pages of the regular Fantastic Four

STATUS: False

A few years back, there was quite a bit of controversy when Marvel announced that the popular creative on their Fantastic Four title, Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo, were being replaced by a new creative team apruptly. The news came as quite a surprise, as Waid's Fantastic Four was gaining a good deal of critical acclaim, along with fine sales.

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Ultimately, in a strange example of a reverse in position, Marvel announced that Waid and Wieringo were NOT going to be taken off the book after all. Instead, the creative team that WAS to replace them, Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa and Steve McNiven, would have their own brand-new ongoing series, Marvel Knights: 4.

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However, in another twist, Aguirre-Sacasa and McNiven were already working on the project BEFORE they were ever going to replace Waid and Wieringo.

Aguirre-Sacasa relates the story in Marvel Spotlight:
David Finch/Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, Originally, I was hired to write a 12-issue miniseries called "FF: Working Class Heroes." Then that project got shuffled onto the mainline book, then we were put in the Marvel Knights line. I think I wrote the first issue thinking it was for the Working Class Heroes miniseries, and they suggested I keep moving forward. But then they said, "We're thinking of using your script for the regular FF title." Then I wrote two or three issues and then they said we're going with the Marvel Knights for this. Bill Jemas had wanted to write a more grounded FF, ste on Earth, essentially, so that was his idea, and they also wanted a book that was very different in feel from what Mark Waid was doing, which was more of the action-packed, cosmic adventure stories.
It must be a weird experience to write a comic for three different titles!!

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Dr. Strange has a daughter named Sofia

STATUS: Essentially True

Aguirre-Sacasa's situation, where the writer really had no idea where his story was going to end up, was very similar to that of the writers who were a part of Marvel's ill-fated Epic line of comics.

Initially, Epic was to be the place where Marvel would let creators introduce creator-owned talent that Marvel would own a piece of, in case the characters became successful. It evolved, instead, to becoming a place where lesser-known talent would work on a stable of established Marvel characters, giving old characters a new spin and hopefully the series would become successful for Marvel, and if not, Marvel would not be laying out a lot of money for the deals. However, when Marvel had an ownership change, the launch of the titles were dropped. Instead, the three finished books, Sleepwalker (by Robert Kirkman!), Young Ancient One and Strange Magic, were released in one big book, titled Epic Anthology. Marvel promptly cancelled the anthology after the first issue was released.

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However, in that first issue, we met Sofia Strange, rumored to be Doctor Strange's daughter. I asked writer Jason Henderson what the deal was, and this is what he told me,
Uh, gosh, okay: so the question is, is Sofia Strange Dr. Strange's daughter?

Okay, this is the opinion of the creative team and Marvel then; what Marvel thinks now is anyone's guess.

Answer: Not just yes, but heck yes.

I mean, look at her: blue-paisley print in her jacket, streak in her hair....

How did this happen?

Once upon time there was a pitch: the hidden daughter of Doctor Strange. Greg Scott and I were working on SWORD OF DRACULA when we started putting this idea together, sending it to then-editor Stephanie Moore and Bill Jemas. Moore was busy putting the (new) Epic line together, which was supposed to be a line of niche-oriented books with new ideas and even new creators. Rather than let the pitch develop by itself, Marvel dovetailed it in with Epic. Made sense: Greg and I were pros but still very much at the start of our careers, so we could be shoehorned into Epic well enough.

Sofia Strange (as she eventually came to be named) was the daughter of Doctor Strange and his other-dimensional wife Clea-- and in fact, in an early script, the story begins not in New Orleans but in the Dark Dimension, where Queen Clea, Dormammu's forces closing in, sends the young Sofia and her nanny Vesper to Earth. But Sofia must remain hidden, especially from Doctor Strange, who does not know she exists. For various reasons, Clea doesn't want Stephen Strange roaring back to the Dark Dimension and making things worse.

Flash forward to today, where the issue actually does pick up, with Sofia coming to New Orleans (I love New Orleans. I wanted to cross this over with my ghost-hunter book SOULCATCHER) and getting used to using her powers. Another cut scene from Issue 1 showed Dr. Strange in Greenwich Village, getting up in the middle of the night for some milk, suddenly struck by a teasing sense that someone is being magically hidden from him, a great fog in his senses.

So there we had it: Dr. Strange's daughter, with all his powers, in New Orleans having small, magic adventures, conveniently hidden from the Marvel Universe so that we could avoid excessive entanglements with all the guys from New York.

Alas, we did one issue's art by Greg Scott, colors by JD Mettler, an AMAZING cover by Tony Harris. And then it all got folded into the Epic anthology, and the rest is history. Nothing attached to Epic survived.

I guess she's still alive out there, probably practicing magic in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
Thanks, Jason, for filling us in!! Be sure to check out what Jason is up to now at his website, www.jasonhenderson.com!!

I'm pretty sure someone asked this question in ONE of the comments section, but I can't find it for the life of me, so please, if you did ask me this question (Does Dr. Strange have a daughter?), drop me a line so I can credit you.

Well, that's it for this week, thanks for stopping by!

Feel free to drop off any urban legends you'd like to see featured!!

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45 Comments:

Anonymous SanctumSanctorumComix said...

Ahh...but is the SOFIA STRANGE story what they then continued over at IMAGE as SYLVIA FAUST?

The story seems very similar.
Young girl, mystical powers, not quite used to them, a guardian...

They even had a "DR STRANGE" type character as her "estranged" father who was (ostensibly) a stage magician.

Sadly, after 2 issues THAT was cancelled.

It was supposed to be a 4-issue mini.


Gah!

We DR STRANGE fans get NO love.
But these poor guys got shafted by 2 companies on the "same" story.

So... is THIS true?
Did Marvel step in and tell Image to not print the rest?

"Stranger" things have happened.
~P~
P-TOR

3/23/2006 10:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Dan Coyle said...

Actually, the Epic Anthology isn't canon, is it? I think Robert Kirkman has said he's not going to pick up on it and he's used the Rick Sheridan Sleepwalker in Marvel Team-Up.

3/23/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Dave Lartigue said...

Thanks! And I don't want to malign Schwarz. It's possible he was talking about the other editor and I just misremembered it. I'm glad to finally see the cover!

3/23/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Jesse said...

There seems to be a flaw in the Sofia Strange concept: Dr. Strange doesn't have "powers," does he? He has training at the foot of the Ancient One and the discipline to use this training. So I wouldn't think there's anything biological/genetic for him to pass on to his child. I may have missed something somewhere along the line, though, so feel free to correct me.

Of course Clea is from a mystical dimension and presumably does have some magic in her "blood," and the mating between a human and a child of Dormammu's dimension could have some surprising results - but even if that were the case, it wouldn't seem to count as inheriting Doc's "powers."

3/23/2006 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know, that cover would look better with the image moved down a bit.

Mike Nielsen

3/23/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous SanctumSanctorumComix said...

to dan coyle;

Seemingly the EPIC stuff IS in canon.

The info from the Young Ancient One has been used in the new Official Handbooks.

And Steve Englehart's new Strange Western (one-shot - to turn into a series if it sells good numbers) also uses Young Ancient One info.

I wish they would at least FINISH the stories in another special anthology.
Put it in Marvel Knights or something.

~P~
P-TOR

3/23/2006 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous SanctumSanctorumComix said...

oops for got to add this to jesse;

As for having a birthright of magic "powers", Clea IS descended from faltinian heritage and didn't have to study. She is the daughter of Umar and neice to Dormammu.

I'm pretty sure it can be passed from her to her child.
Hell, that's the premise for Ultimate DR STRANGE as well.

Son of Strange and Clea, has latent powers, Wong trains him.

With Sofia, I think it was more "latent" powers, as well that she is slowly learning to harness.

Not that we'll ever see her again.

~P~

3/23/2006 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Michael said...

Sofia isn't really a mutant, though. She's just a little strange.

3/23/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Jesse said...

'As for having a birthright of magic "powers", Clea IS descended from faltinian heritage and didn't have to study. ...
'I'm pretty sure it can be passed from her to her child.'

I think I acknowledged this possibility - though thanks for the additional info - but I was responding specifically to Jason Henderson's reference to "Dr. Strange's daughter, with all his powers" - not "with all her mother's powers."

'Hell, that's the premise for Ultimate DR STRANGE as well.'

I wouldn't know - the only Ultimate book I've followed is Ultimate FF - but we're talking about the original Dr. Strange here, and I don't think one can make any straightforward inferences from the Ultimate universe to the mainstream Marvel Universe, or vice versa. Straczynski's recent Dr. Strange reboot might have altered something about Doc's powers - I didn't read it past the first issue - but that series in any case postdates the Sofia Strange character.

3/23/2006 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

"Thanks! And I don't want to malign Schwarz. It's possible he was talking about the other editor and I just misremembered it. I'm glad to finally see the cover!"

An important point, Dave, and one I meant to cover, and forgot.

Yes, we certainly do not mean to malign Schwartz in any way, shape or manner.

Dave could have misheard, Schwartz could have slipped, any number of things.

3/24/2006 05:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes, we certainly do not mean to malign Schwartz in any way, shape or manner."

Is this why you refuse to address the Comic Book "Urban Legend" that Julius Schwartz sexually assaulted Colleen Doran in a limousine without suffering any corporate punishment from DC, prompting her to refuse working for the company again (until Warren Ellis persuaded her to return?)

Why is that the only bloggers who seem to indignant about Schwartz's behavior are the female ones? Do the male bloggers feel this behavior is acceptable? Or are you guys such fanboys that all actions by Julius Schwartz are considered permissible.

Sure, don't malign Julie Schwartz. He helped produce comic books you enjoy -- why the hell should he be held to standards of basic human decency? Feel free to disregard the emotional damage on Colleen Doran.

I suspect from the tone of your worship and admiration for Schwartz that this post will promptly be deleted from existence, despite the merit of its content. And I won't be the slightest bit surprised.

Pigs.

3/24/2006 09:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Collen Doran describes the incident in detail during a Buzzscope interview on sexual harrassment:

http://www.buzzscope.com/features.php?id=1250

3/24/2006 10:08:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

"Is this why you refuse to address the Comic Book "Urban Legend" that Julius Schwartz sexually assaulted Colleen Doran in a limousine without suffering any corporate punishment from DC, prompting her to refuse working for the company again (until Warren Ellis persuaded her to return?)

Why is that the only bloggers who seem to indignant about Schwartz's behavior are the female ones? Do the male bloggers feel this behavior is acceptable? Or are you guys such fanboys that all actions by Julius Schwartz are considered permissible.

Sure, don't malign Julie Schwartz. He helped produce comic books you enjoy -- why the hell should he be held to standards of basic human decency? Feel free to disregard the emotional damage on Colleen Doran.

I suspect from the tone of your worship and admiration for Schwartz that this post will promptly be deleted from existence, despite the merit of its content. And I won't be the slightest bit surprised.

Pigs."

Is this, like, some sort of weird performance piece?

That certainly would make as much sense as your reply.

Then again, so would "fjajdjfc vjwjdjf vjwhskjahsdq didjd djds."

3/25/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger Apodaca said...

Don't you love it when anonymous posters get all indignant about people not taking a stand?

Or do you hate it because the irony is lost on them?

3/25/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger Chris Sims said...

Maybe because it's not so much an "Urban Legend" as a "fact."

One day, I'm sure Brian Cronin will get around to giving us a forty-three part series on Comics Facts Revealed and we'll finally get this little piece of information, along with things like: "Comics were once printed in ONLY FOUR COLORS!" and "Jack Kirby created the New Gods!"

I look forward to it!

But boy, those comics Julie Schwartz edited sure are good.

3/25/2006 11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris Sims wrote:
Maybe because it's not so much an "Urban Legend" as a "fact."

and Brian Cronin wrote:
Is this, like, some sort of weird performance piece?

That certainly would make as much sense as your reply.

Then again, so would "fjajdjfc vjwjdjf vjwhskjahsdq didjd djds."

So, okay. I admit that I was probably a little too hysterical in my tone. Okay. Fair enough. I should have been more -- let's say -- "rational." And level-headed. Yes. True.

I'd like to return to my original point, without clouding the issue with my hyperbole.

As Chris Sims readily states: it is a "fact" that Julius Schwartz has done some deplorable things. He has acted out behaviors that I find deeply disturbing and offensive. I guess you folks can tell that I am outraged at the way he took advantage of Colleen Doran when she was a yong, aspriing comic creator. And I suppose that I am even more outraged that DC shrugged and found the transgressions permissible and dismissed Doran. So every time I think about the incident, I end up a little "screechy." Which really defeats the purpose, and makes my viewpoint a lot less sympathetic. That is entirely my fault.

Having said that, I guess I over-reacted a lot when Brian wrote: "Yes, we certainly do not mean to malign Schwartz in any way, shape or manner." Because, removed from context, it seems to excuse Julius Schwartz from accountability and renders him infallible due to the comics he worked on. Of course, that's not the intent of the comment. And removing it from its context twists the whole discussion around. Which, I guess, is what happened to me. It was poor reading comprehension on my part.

I have done Colleen Doran no favors by coming to her defense in such an unpleasant and disproportionate manner. I recognize that Brian's comment was made strictly within the specific context of the post and the message thread. I am over-sensitive to the admiration Schwartz receives, and the protection that the comic industry (DC) has afforded him. But that was not Brian's intent -- and I should not have dragged him into the crossfire of my misplaced moral indignation.

To sum up: I don't like Julius Schwartz. And I find it unforgivable that DC enabled his behavior. And I readily acknowledge that Brian's comment ("Yes, we certainly do not mean to malign Schwartz in any way, shape or manner.") had no relevance to the incident I take issue with.

And Apodaca: if you interview at the link I provided, it would help explain that the reason I choose to be anonymous is that those who have spoken up against harrassment in comic books have been blacklisted. But I understand your point.

I guess if I could leave everyone with a parting thought, it would be that Julius Schwartz has been documented to be a flawed person, and keep that in mind when heaping praise on him.

In conclusion, I apologize to Brian Cronin for hijacking this message thread in the overzealousness of my moral crusade.

Sincerely,
Still Anonymous

3/25/2006 11:41:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

My only complaint was that the initial reply made no sense in response to what I said, and you basically cop to that, so I'm cool.

In any event, it was, indeed, awful what Schwartz did to Doran, and perhaps it is true that not enough people have heard the story, and if he got any sort of beneficial treatment from people because he was such a good editor, then that is a true shame.

3/26/2006 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Chuck T. said...

I don't know if this would be an urban legend, or just odd:
The other day my comic shop had a sale, and I bought Brian Wood's the Couriers GN for 75% off. It was ok, but didn't really floor me. I thought about it as I was putting some junk on ebay, and I had the TP for Channel Zero and the Fight for Tomorrow limited series from Wood as well. None of them floored me, so I put the whole batch up for sale.
Here's the weird part: I had a bid within 12 hours, from buyer "briancwood". He's not buying his own stuff on ebay, is he? I sent a message to the buyer just out of curiousity, but I haven't heard back yet. I did check his feedback though, and he had bought some of the Fight issues before. Weird, eh? Anyone hear anything about this?
(And I'm totally not bringing this up so you can outbid Brian Wood. Unless you're gonna.)

3/27/2006 01:27:00 PM  
Blogger Lea said...

"I guess if I could leave everyone with a parting thought, it would be that Julius Schwartz has been documented to be a flawed person, and keep that in mind when heaping praise on him."

I think that could be said of many highly-praised people in comics, male and female.

I have never heard of Ms. Doran not wanting to work at DC because of Shwartz, or brought back because of the urgings of Warren Ellis.
I thought it was more likely because of an incident she's related many times of Karen Berger and Jill Thompson being snarky to her on a panel, suggesting she was older than she claimed to be.

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6/24/2011 05:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you hear the one about the blog that was kidnapped by a panda? How does something like this happen? p.s., proving you're not a robot doesn't seem to be proof enough. sigh.

4/21/2012 03:19:00 PM  
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Anonymous Queen Bee said...

The Diva Lea popping in with a passive aggressive snark about another woman creator: she has so many! How about the time she spread the rumor that Jill Thompson was a big drunk whose husband ghost writes all her work? Or how about when she told everybody what a mean bitch Evan Dorkin's wife Sarah Dyer is for being a snob, not hiring her for Action Girl, and wearing expensive makeup poor people can't afford? Or how about her trashing Karen Berger for not hiring her at Vertigo because she hates women? Or how about telling everybody Wendy Pini fired her from Elfquest because she got pregnant? Or how about trashing Elin Winkler for having anorexia, which wasn't about a serious mental illness, but really about how she was trying to be the skinniest girl in the room, and how she made a point of it to make Lea feel bad about being fat? All stories she's related many many times. If there's something bad to say about another woman, Hernandez never fails to step up to the plate, even if she has to make it up! The Diva divas all over the place. It's all about her.

6/28/2013 11:02:00 AM  

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