Thursday, March 16, 2006

Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #42!

This is the forty-second in a series of examinations of comic book urban legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous forty-one.

Let's begin!

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Gerry Conway did not intend to include the "snap" in the death of Gwen Stacy


One of the most controversial issues in comic book history was Amazing Spider-Man #121, which featured the death of Peter Parker's girlfriend, Gwen Stacy.

One of the most controversial aspects of the comic was HOW Gwen died. As seen in the following panel, there was a tiny snap when Spider-Man attempts to snare her after she has been tossed off a bridge by the Green Goblin.

It is not clear in the comic whether she was actually killed by the snap to hear neck or shock from falling. In fact, the Green Goblin actually argues that it WASN'T the snap that did her in, yelling to Spider-Man, "Romantic idiot! She was dead before your webbing reached her! A fall from that height would kill anyone—before they struck the ground!"

In fact, in a bizarre event rarely seen in comic of the day, Marvel took the letter column of #125 to specifically address the death of Gwen Stacy (also, to defend Stan Lee and Gerry Conway). Part of the piece was, in a way, a comic book autopsy. The column reads,
it saddens us to have to say that the whiplash effect she underwent when Spidey's webbing stopped her so suddenly was, in fact, what killed her. In short, it was impossible for Peter to save her. He couldn't have swung down in time; the action he did take resulted in her death; if he had done nothing, she still would certainly have perished. There was no way out.
However, the snapping action is different than literally having her neck snap.

In fact, in some reprints of the story, the little "snap" noise has been excised. Stan Lee (in Comic Buyers Guide #1277) even expressed some unease with the idea of her neck snapping, "I wasn't aware of that. To me, that's a little too - I don't think we have to know her neck snapped, you know what I mean?"

Therefore, perhaps BECAUSE of this unease, for awhile, different creators involved with the issue, from artist Gil Kane to letterer Artie Simek even to Art Director, John Romita, were rumored to have added the little "snap" sound effect.

However, at the end of the day, Gerry Conways admits that it was part of his initial story idea.

In Tom DeFalco's book of interviews, Comics Creators on Spider-Man, Gerry Conway speaks of including the snap, and how "It's one of a very few inspired moments in my career when my subconscious mind made a choice that meant so much more than my conscious mind ever intended."

So, if you want to blame, or praise, someone for the snap, blame/praise Gerry Conway.

(Thanks to Peter Sanderson for the Conway quote, Al Sjoerdsma for the Lee quote and Arnold T. Blumberg for the quote from #125)

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: The woman who was the titular basis for Kitty Pryde has since changed her name due to unwanted comic book fan attention.


Kitty Pryde made her debut in Uncanny X-Men #129, in late 1979. Her co-creator, John Byrne, has never hid the fact that her name was based upon a classmate of his at art school.

But what's interesting is what happened to the "real" Kitty Pryde AFTER the X-Men Kitty Pryde was introduced.

In a story from the Calgary Sun by Louis B. Hobson (courtesy of The Cat Box, which is now twice in one week that I have cited The Cat Box...freaky)

It all happened back in 1973 when she was a student at the Alberta College of Art in Calgary. One of her classmates was John Byrne who would go on to become one of the more prolific writer/artists for Marvel Comics.
“I first noticed John in our (still-life) classes. While the rest of us were drawing the nudes, John would be making sketches of Superman and Spiderman. One day he told me he loved my name and promised when he became famous at Marvel Comics, he’d name his first character after me.” Pryde thought nothing of the compliment.

In 1980 when when she was living and working in Toronto, Pryde received a package in the mail. It contained one page of Byrne’s original sketches for his Kitty Pryde character plus a signed copy of the comic book it eventually became. He’d signed it: “To Kitty, the real one. Thanks for the use of the name.” The X-Men comics became one of Marvel’s best sellers.

Kitty eventually morphed into an action figure like so many of her mutant friends. “Kitty started out as a young girl with superhuman powers. By the time they created her action figure, she’d become a major chick. She may bear my name, but she wasn’t modelled after me. I only wish I had knockers like that,” jokes Pryde.

Ulimately, in the early 90s, in an attempt to regain her anonymity, Pryde began going by the name K.D. Pryde.

I will save you any horrible reference to her wanting to sometimes be able to walk through walls to get away from the attention.

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Apocalypse was originally going to be the Owl.


In the early issue of X-Factor, writer Bob Layton introduced a number of new villains, starting with #2 and Tower...

then Frenzy in #4...

leading to the revelation that the two were in a team, The Alliance of Evil, along with two other members, Timeshadow and Stinger.

At the end of the issue, we meet their mystery "master," who, although shrouded in shadows, is clearly a big fella.

In the next issue, we learn that the villain is Apocalypse, who would go on to become a significant X-Men villain (currently fighting the X-Men in their comic as you read this).

However, the mystery "master" was NOT meant to be Apocaylpse and that last page was not initially in the comic. No, it was going to be former Daredevil villain, the OWL!

You see, in issue #6, Louise Simonson took over the writing chores on X-Factor, and she preffered to have the mystery villain be a NEW villain to add to the mutant mythos, so Layton, on the way out, was asked to have it changed, and he, being a sporting soul, did so.

Imagine The Age of Owl!!! That would have been awesome!!

(I checked with Layton for confirmation of the story, and he confirmed it).

Well, that's it for this week, thanks for stopping by!

Feel free to drop off any urban legends you'd like to see featured!!

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Blogger J'onn J'onzz, Martian Manhunter said...

You can't fool me! This was not published yesterday! It was published late today!

About the issue, it was great as always. This is one of my favorite features here.

Personally I would have like the fan attention... What I'm confused about is the importance of the action figue. Most every X-Men character ever made has an action figure! I would think the publication of such a character would be the jump starter in unententional fame.

3/17/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger Jon said...

Oh, lord, you have no idea how happy it makes me to know that the whole Owlpacalypse thing is true.

3/17/2006 07:16:00 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

That "snap" has always bugged me, not because I give a tiny rat's ass about whether Spidey killed Gwen or not, but because it's such a weird thing. Isn't Spidey's webbing supposed to be somewhat stretchable? Crooks always push against it - it's not pinning them to the wall without letting them move. Also - the Goblin smacks her with the glider. It seems like that would kill her easily.

This is too morbid. I'll say that if we simply go back and substitute the Owl into every Apocalypse appearance, Marvel mutant history becomes much more fun.

3/17/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger David C said...

The action figure comment is doubly strange, because she apparently only had one figure ever before 2006, and it was from Wizard Magazine:

Oh, and to nitpick, I'm not sure the lady technically "changed her name" by referring to herself as "K.D. Pryde" instead of "Kitty Pryde." More like a variant of her real name.

Now, what'd be interesting is if the comic book character decided "Kitty" was too much of a "kid's" name and started calling herself "K.D." (which is a pretty cool name itself!)

3/17/2006 10:47:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

"You can't fool me! This was not published yesterday! It was published late today!"

It was so!

That's when I published it. That blogger decided to fuck up and break for a day is not my fault!

3/18/2006 02:49:00 AM  
Blogger Apodaca said...

"Now, what'd be interesting is if the comic book character decided "Kitty" was too much of a "kid's" name and started calling herself "K.D." (which is a pretty cool name itself!)"

It would be even cooler if she changed her last name to Lang and got a flat-top haircut.

3/19/2006 05:11:00 PM  
Blogger kelvingreen said...

As a follow-up to the Apocalypse thing, did his immortal buddies, the X-ternals, get written out of the X-Men mythos due to the people behind Highlander geting antsy about immortal characters? This is apparently also the reason why Apocalypse himself is no longer immortal, but does the rejuvenation chamber thing.

(I think I may have asked this one before. Apologies if so.)

3/19/2006 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous tbrittreid/Ted Watson said...


I've got a problem. This is #42, of course, but the page I've got bookmarked still stops at #40. Clicking "Read More" here just takes me back to the top of this very page and "Home" gets me a page saying that I'm not authorized to view what I asked for. Huh? This might explain why I haven't found any response to my posting that the email address you told me to use gets only delivery failures. Help!

3/22/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

#41 didn't show up because blogger had a problem with publishing that day, and I guess I never went back to check to see if it went through. Sorry about that. I re-published, and it showed up this time. So #41 is there now.

3/23/2006 01:29:00 AM  
Blogger Kateness said...

I remember coming across a slightly less flattering article on the real Kitty was around the same time that she'd actually put up the page of original artwork and signed book that John Byrne had sent her (both looking in pretty ratty condition from the pics) on Ebay! But I can't seem to find either around online anymore...

I did however come across a John Byrne FAQ, where he tells his side of it:

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Blogger Kateness said...

Here's a reference to the ebay auction...unable to find a pic though *shrugs*:

3/29/2006 05:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Karen said...

Kitty Pryde did change her name in order to retain some sense of anonymity, however I'm not too sure how entirely sought after she was. I think she was just miffed that she wasn't known for her "artwork"! Anytime she mentioned it, she didn't speak about the situation with much fondness!

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