Thursday, December 15, 2005

Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #29!

This is the twenty-ninth in a series of examinations of comic book urban legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous twenty-eight. This week is a slight change of pace, as it is the first "Theme Week." This week's Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed is "Kurt Busiek Week!"

Let's begin!

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Kurt Busiek came up with the idea for Jean Grey's return.


How decisions are made in any creative medium is almost always a story of interesting interralations between many people. Writers and editors, producers and directors, friends and relatives, ideas can come from all sorts of places.

How the idea of Jean Grey's return to comics came to fruition is just one of those stories.

The best encapsulation of this story comes from an unlikely (for me, at least) source, wikipedia, which I generally am hesitant to cite as a definitive source, but in this instance, Kurt Busiek himself helped edit the current Wikipedia piece, so I think its veracity should pass muster.

So, to begin,
Shortly before the publication of Uncanny X-Men #137, future freelance writer Kurt Busiek, then still a college student, heard about the upcoming events through the fan grapevine, as did fellow future comics pros Carol Kalish (who would go on to head up Marvel's Direct Sales Department for years) and Richard Howell (artist of the Vision and The Scarlet Witch 12-issue maxi-series, among others). The three of them also heard that Jim Shooter had declared that Jean Grey could not be revived unless it was done in such a way as to render her guiltless of Dark Phoenix's crimes. Taking this as a creative challenge, all three then-fans decided to come up with their own resurrection scenario. Busiek's involved the discovery that Jean Grey was still on the bottom of Jamaica Bay in suspended animation, and the Phoenix entity had used her body and mind as a lens, creating an immensely powerful duplicate of Jean, but a duplicate which grew more corrupted and distorted the longer it remained separate from the true Jean.
Later on,
in 1983, after beginning a career as a freelance writer the previous year, Kurt Busiek attended a comics convention in Ithaca, New York, staying at the home of Marvel writer Roger Stern. In conversation, both writers' longtime interest in the X-Men came up, and Stern expressed regret that there was no way to bring Jean back, not while satisfying Shooter's edict. Busiek told Stern his idea, not expecting it to amount to more than idle conversation. Later, Stern told the idea to John Byrne, then writer/artist of Fantastic Four.

In 1985, Jim Shooter greenlighted a new series that would reunite the original X-Men into a new team called "X-Factor," to be written by longtime freelancer Bob Layton. Hearing of this, Byrne called Layton and suggested Busiek's idea as a means of raising Jean Grey from the dead while satisfying Jim Shooter's demands for total absolution for Jean.
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So there you go. Five men, a few years, and many conversations ensued before the perfect confluence of events resulted in Kurt Busiek's idea (which came about before Jean even DIED) gestating into how Marvel handled Jean Grey's return.

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Triathlon was gay.


In the letter pages of Avengers #7, a question was posed as to whether the Avengers would add any members of color or any gay members. The reply was "There's always a chance. Heck, come back next issue." Avengers #8 was the debut of Triathlon.

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This led to rumors, naturally enough, that Triathlon was (or at least was MEANT to be) gay.

Kurt Busiek cleared up this rumor at the Gay League,
We hadn't established anything about Triathlon's sexual preference, so when people asked about the possibility of a gay Avenger, I thought that hey,maybe he's gay -- we haven't said one way or the other. But Tri was so controversial, and so many fans had issues with how he got onto the team, or the racially-charged atmosphere it happened in, that I just didn't want to add one more aspect that would be a hot-button issue -- negative or positive -- with readers. Too many readers already thought of him as a token, so I thought it'd be better to work on getting past that than give another set of readers a reason to see him as a label more than as a character.
I think Busiek made the right call. Do you agree?

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Kurt Busiek was NOT the first choice for Untold Tales of Spider-Man


Rarely does a non-creator-owned book, in this day and age, becomse so synonymous with one creator as much as Untold Tales of Spider-Man did with Kurt Busiek. In the 90s, other than James Robinson's Starman and Peter David's Hulk, very few others stand out.

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Therefore, it is quite surprising to note that Kurt Busiek was NOT the first choice to write Untold Tales of Spider-Man, but rather, got the job as the original choice for the book, Roger Stern, passed on the assignment, suggesting Busiek instead.

In a recent interview at Comic Book Resources, Stern relays the story,
CBR: What brought you back to Marvel?

Stern: Tom Brevoort and Glenn Greenberg. Those two guys were after me for months to write a book for them. They first approached me when they needed a new writer for the "New Warriors," but the book had been around for over four years at that point, and I'd never read it. Then they offered me a new title: "Untold Tales of Spider-Man." I was intrigued by the idea, but told them that I thought Kurt Busiek would be a better choice, as he'd already researched that era for Marvels.
I wonder how the series would have gone had it been Stern instead of Busiek. If anyone COULD live up to the quality work that Busiek did on that title, it probably WOULD be Stern, who had (as mentioned earlier) a part in getting Busiek's Jean Grey idea to Marvel. See, it (and this entry) has come full circle!

So, that's it for this week, folks!

Feel free to drop off any urban legends you'd like to see featured!!

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Blogger Jeff R. said...

Wasn't the extra dead clone in the smokestack during the spider-clone saga also Kurt's idea?

12/15/2005 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger kelvingreen said...

Wow! Extra special Kurt Busiek edition!

Not an urban legend per se, but I'd love to know why Minnesota keeps popping up in Busiek's Avengers writing. Lots of stuff seems to happen there "offscreen". As far as I know, Busiek has no Minnesotan connection, but it looks all the world for a writer namechecking his home state. Weird.

You've already got my list of proper legends I want checked, as I recall. :)

12/15/2005 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous ArizonaTeach said...

Jeff, for ALL you wanted to know about the Clone Saga:

12/15/2005 03:52:00 PM  
Blogger Christopher Burton said...

What are some Minnesota examples, Kelvin?

12/15/2005 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger Matthew Craig said...





12/15/2005 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger kelvingreen said...

Let's see. Off the top of my head...

Thor turns up in one issue of Avengers having gone for a quest for the Casket of Ancient Winters... in Minnesota.

The Avengers are in Washington, and some of the interns mistake Thor for a senator... from Minnesota (there's a Minnesota Vikings joke there, I'd guess, but why?).

And the opening scene of Avengers/Thunderbolts was at a power station meltdown... in Minnesota.

Busiek seems to chuck it in there more than any other non-New York location, and I've often wondered why.

12/15/2005 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger Christopher Burton said...

Huh. That is strange. There must be a reason.

12/15/2005 10:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Bill Jacobs said...

Well, Minnesota is full of Scandinavians. I expect that's the connection with Thor.


12/16/2005 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger Pól Rua said...

An all-Kurt Busiek entry with nothing about kitten-strangling.

12/21/2005 05:00:00 AM  
Blogger Michael said...

I'm certain Stern would have been the next best choice (and I think co-scripted some of the last issues?) given that his run on Amazing is the second best the title has ever seen (after Stan) to this date.

1/07/2006 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thor being mistaken for a 'senator from Minnesota' was probably a reference to Minnesota's one-time Governor, former pro wrestler Jesse 'The Body' Ventura.

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