Friday, June 03, 2005

Comic Book Urban Legend Revealed #1

So, the other week, I had a post about "Paternalistic Continuity." In it, I made mention about Walt Simonson having a list of which appearances of Doom were actual, and which were Doombots.

Well, the upshot is, no such list exists.

I had fallen prey to a comic book urban legend.

Well, first off, I'm sorry about that. Poor form on my part (you'd think I would have at LEAST had an "ass-covering" line like "I believe that..." or "I heard that...").

In any event, while this is a break from the standard type of post here at Comics Should Be Good, I figure it would be a nice idea for a new regular thing - debunking (or confirming) comic book urban legends!!!

Sorta like Snopes, but for comic books!!

Let's begin!!

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Jim Shooter wrote comic books when he was 13 years old.

STATUS: True

Future Marvel Editor-in-chief Jim Shooter began writing comics in 1966 when he sent in a story proposal to Legion of Superheroes' editior Mort Weisinger at the age of 13.

Adventure Comics #346, cover-dated July 1966, marked the first comic work (writing AND pencilling the issue) of Jim Shooter, still 13 years old.

The interesting thing to note is that Shooter was not even the ONLY teenager working at DC regularly at the time.

That same year, Mort Weisinger purchased a story by 17 year old Cary Bates. Weisinger had already used a cover idea sent in by Bates that Bates had done three years earlier.

According to Bates, "And I started doing covers, drawing up ideas. I sent them to Mort Weisinger, and the first that he used featured Luthor and Brainiac snarling at Superman, six inches high, suspended in a cage. I sent that one in sometime in 1963 and he used it later."

Presumably, he is referring to this cover, cover-dated February 1964...

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Cool, huh?

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Mark Gruenwald's ashes were mixed in with the printing of a comic book.

STATUS: True

When Mark Gruenwald tragically passed away at the "too young" age of 42 in 1996, one of his farewell wishes was that he be cremated, and that his ashes be mixed in with the print run of a comic book.

Bob Harras and his widow, Catherine, decided on the first printing of the trade collection of perhaps Mark's most memorable series, his 1985-86 mini-series, Squadron Supreme.

"This is something that he really wanted because he really loved comics," said Bob Harras, Marvel's editor-in-chief. "He wanted to be part of his work in a very real sense."

Marvel has since done newer printings of the trade, so they do not currently sell copies with Gruenwald's ashes mixed in, but I'm sure you can find some on Ebay!

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: DC must publish at least four issues of Wonder Woman a year or else lose the rights to the property.

STATUS: False

It has long been said that if DC did not publish Wonder Woman at least four times a year, that the rights would revert back to the estate of William Moulton Marston, creator of Wonder Woman.

Writer Kurt Busiek addressed the rumors earlier this year,
They are no longer true, but they were true for a long time — as I understand it, the terms were that DC had to publish at least four issues with "Wonder Woman" as the banner lead feature or rights would revert. That's why DC did the LEGEND OF WONDER WOMAN mini-series that I wrote and Trina Robbins drew — the Perez revamp was in development, but coming along slowly, and they had to publish something to fulfil the contract terms.

They specifically didn't want something that would be attention-getting, because they didn't want to undercut the revamp. So they wanted something gentle and nostalgic, and we had fun doing it.

In the intervening years, though, I'm given to understand that at some point DC bought the character outright, and thus those contract terms are no longer in force.
So there you go!

Feel free to suggest urban legends you'd like to see debunked (or confirmed) in a future installment!

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62 Comments:

Anonymous FunkyGreenJerusalem said...

Nobody knows of a link to the comic cover idea by the 10 year old Bates do they?

6/03/2005 06:39:00 AM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

Updated it for ya, Funky.

6/03/2005 07:11:00 AM  
Blogger Tim O'Neil said...

I remember there was an ongoing debate in the FF letters columns during the late part of Simonson's run which went into the specifics of which Doom was the real Doom for what stories... some people thought that every Domn appearance appearance after FF #40 was a Doombot, some had other strange time travel theories... it was very involved, but I don't remember whether or not Simonson himself actually said anything.

I'd check but the bulk of my comics are 3,000 miles away.

6/03/2005 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Greg Hatcher said...

An 'urban legend' that was accepted as cold fact for many, many years was that it was Frederic Wertham and the Kefauver hearings that forced William Gaines to give up publishing comics and turn MAD into an actual magazine.

According to Gaines himself, in a HUGE interview with Gary Groth for the Comics Journal, this just isn't so. He made MAD into a 'slick' magazine in the hope of hanging on to Harvey Kurtzman -- who eventually left to go work for Hugh Hefner, anyway. And though Wertham and the hearings were certainly a factor, again according to Gaines it was other publishers getting together and designing the Comics Code in such a way as to pretty much put him out of business that was the deathblow.

So now you know.

6/03/2005 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger Bill Reed said...

Wow, that's a *classic* cover. And he was ten? Why, that beautiful bastard...

Anyway, this makes me wonder as to who the youngest comic creator actually was. Certainly you'd have to define the word "creator." Does a cover idea count? Then Bates probably wins...

Although, I know one of, maybe both of, the Kubert kids were lettering comics when they were little 'uns. Or is that also an urban legend?

6/03/2005 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger MarkAndrew said...

Nope. I got some l'il Kubert stuff from the early eighties.

6/04/2005 01:02:00 AM  
Blogger Brad Curran said...

"Nope. I got some l'il Kubert stuff from the early eighties."

Wait, were they credited as the Lil' Kuberts?

6/04/2005 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Frank S. Kim said...

"Anyway, this makes me wonder as to who the youngest comic creator actually was."

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6/05/2005 03:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Ian Gould said...

I think one of Mike Mignola's children came up with a Hellboy story which he then illustrated.

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"Wait, were they credited as the Lil' Kuberts?"

No.

Yet another reason why I should've been Editor In Chief of DC Comics in 1982.

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Blogger Chris Griswold said...

I just read the article about Bates and Maggin, and I'm not sure you have that Bates infor right. The article says he was born in 1948 and sent the cover in 1963, making him 15 at the time, and that they used it later. (Not three years later - did you get that from another source?)
Then he drew up more covers for them in 1966 and that year wrote something that was published in 1967.

I worry you may have created a new urban legend in your very first urban legends entry. I am only this concerned because I am creating the Wikipedia entry for Cary Bates, and I was using this as a source.

4/18/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

Ha! I must have listened to Bates' quotes, rather than just doing the math myself, Chris! Your'e right, Bates was obviously 17, not 13.

Good pick-up! I'll correct that presently.

As for the "three years" thing, I was saying that three years prior to 1966 (1963), Bates sent in a cover, which was apparently printed in 1964.

Thanks for the correction.

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