A question ... and an answer! And then another question!
I haven't read Avengers Disassembled or House of M, so this might have been answered in one or the other of those epics, but ...
If Wanda has such power over all reality so that she can put Magneto in charge of everything and manipulate the basic genetic makeup of thousands of mutants so that they are no longer mutants, why didn't she just bring her kids back to life as so many other Marvel characters have come back to life and get on with it?
Her kids are dead, right? Man, my knowledge of Marvel history sucks.
And if you're longing for the good old days of the X-books, when Scott Lobdell was penning the classics, and you've been wondering where Mr. Lobdell is these days, wonder no longer! The other day I was watching Man Of The House - college cheerleaders! - and under the writing credits, whose name should I see but Mr. Lobdell's!
This brings up another question. I presume writing semi-okay schlocky comedic thrillers brings in more green than writing for comics, but isn't that a career downturn, from Marvel's flagship title to co-writing credit on semi-okay schlocky comedic thrillers?
If Wanda has such power over all reality so that she can put Magneto in charge of everything and manipulate the basic genetic makeup of thousands of mutants so that they are no longer mutants, why didn't she just bring her kids back to life as so many other Marvel characters have come back to life and get on with it?
Her kids are dead, right? Man, my knowledge of Marvel history sucks.
And if you're longing for the good old days of the X-books, when Scott Lobdell was penning the classics, and you've been wondering where Mr. Lobdell is these days, wonder no longer! The other day I was watching Man Of The House - college cheerleaders! - and under the writing credits, whose name should I see but Mr. Lobdell's!
This brings up another question. I presume writing semi-okay schlocky comedic thrillers brings in more green than writing for comics, but isn't that a career downturn, from Marvel's flagship title to co-writing credit on semi-okay schlocky comedic thrillers?
posted by Greg at 2/02/2006 05:40:00 PM
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Actually, no, that question wasn't really answered in any real fashion. Just one of the many, many gaping problem with how Bendis has treated the Scarlet Witch.
1. I don't think her children really existed to begin with.
2. I met Scott Lobdell when that movie was opening, and he asked me to go see it. I told him I would. I didn't.
X-Men when he wrote it probably paid better than the movies are paying him now. He said he made $1 million off of Uncanny X-Men #300 alone. He was talking about about the plane Claremont bought his mother, also.
He seemed kind of grumpy and jaded about his time at Marvel, but from what I hear, he just happened to be hanging around the Marvel office as he often did, when the X-Men editor was getting off the phone with Claremont or whoever was writing it at the time (Byrne?), one or the other deciding to end that run on Uncanny. So the editor turns to Lobdell and asks if he wants it, kind of as a stop-gap measure. The rest, as they say, is history. [This information came from people who knew him at the time and who spoke to him the day this all happened.]
Incidentally, I enjoyed Lobdell's work back then, so I was being mildly fannish when I spoke to him.
You can read "House of M" on Dr. Strange.nl if you want ot read it but don't want to pay for it. I know I don't even want to read it!
Chris - interesting to know about Lobdell. I was actually joking a bit - Lobdell wasn't the greatest writer, but he did some good stuff on X-Men.
It's not the worst movie in the world. Probably nothing to pay money to see, but on cable it's not bad.
More debate - did Wanda's kids ever exist???
As I understand it (not having read Disassembled or House of M yet either), Wanda's kids were always just manifectations of her powers. After all, their supposed father was an android.
I believe what happened was that she was satisfied using her powers to recreate her kids, but Xavier was counseling her not to, since living in a fantasy isn't good for her, and kinda driver her insane, which threatens the fabric of reality (or at least, the fabric of the Avengers).
At this point, someone planted the idea in her head to create the House of M reality. More than that would be spoilers.
Because Wanda turned Brian Bendis down for prom.
Speaking of Dr. Strange...he's pretty amazingly useless in House of M, isn't he? Just like Professor X. I mean between them they just can't come up with ANYTHING. Not a thing! No ideas at all!
Who was it who said "the plot is a beast that must be fed?"
Yep, I'm pretty sure they never really existed in the first place. As far as I knew, they were physical manifestations of her powers.
You know, I suddenly see why the Vision has gone from being the emotional center of the Avengers to the character nobody wants to touch in the last twenty-or-so years.
Wanda's children were demon spawn. No, literally the spawn of the devil himself. Which Master Pandemonium turned into his own arms.
I wish I was making that up
My understanding from House of M (don't bother, btw, in case you are ever stranded alone with copies of nothing except this horror with you and tempted out of desperation) is that Wanda is, was, and possibly always will be psychotic. She conjured her children into existence and when this was made obvious to her she lashed out, making her extremely manipulable (and "destroying" the Avengers), hence the travesty of House of M.
"He said he made $1 million off of Uncanny X-Men #300 alone."
Huh. Wow, I didn't think there was that kind of money in comics, even for the top sellers, at least not all in one fell swoop like that, for a comparatively "small" name. I basically assumed the money you'd get from (successfully sold) screenwriting would more or less automatically exceed what you could make in comics....
Yes, but this was the X-Men, there was a cartoon featuring the same characters at the time, this was a big anniversary issue with a shiny cover, and he somehow was getting a share of sales.
"good old days of the X-books, when Scott Lobdell was penning the classics"
This is a joke right? I enjoyed Lobdell, but classics?
It's tough to recognize sarcasm in cyberspace, Shane, but yes, I was joking. I too enjoyed Lobdell's run, but with the exception of maybe one or two issues, they're not classics.
Hmm. I'm pretty sure Wanda's kids were never real, just a manifestation of her powers. Come to think of it, the Vision hasn't been the same ever since he was taken apart back in Byrne's run. Maybe, just maybe, he was never the soulful, loving husband: Wanda made him that way. Seeing him "disassembled" made her realize that her love was real, but he was not...and things were never the same for them again, reality altering powers or no. (Terrible AI reference there, but I've never seen it!)
So that would explain a lot of things, and add a few layers to Wanda and Vision's characters, or would it be more retrofitted nonsense?
Lobdell's run from #289-310? Fuckin GOLD. What X-Men is all about.
Strangely, it was around that time, Lobdell said once, he "realized" he was writing the book.
And it was all downhill from there.
Of course, I hear Lobdell is simply his own worst enemy in that regard, so the blame can't be left entirely at the feet of Bob Harras.
One more thing: Lobdell wrote the best Dark Professor X. Bar none. Bru can suck it.
Chuck T.: Ha! That would totally ruin the Vision as a character FOREVER! But, cool idea with the hidden meaning of "Disassembled" and all.
I just hope to God nobody picks up on this notion of yours, Chuck, as neat and tidy as it is. I mean, how stomped into the ground does that character have to get? Why all the endless Vision-hate, Marvel? How much is enough? At this point there's nothing left of him at all, really...
I'm not sure there's any point trying to find these House Of M answers, anyway. Whatever Wanda's kids once were, they're just fully stripped-down plot devices now. Kind of like Wanda herself. Boy, do I never want to read anything with her in it for a long time! What would be the point?
"I mean, how stomped into the ground does that character have to get?"
Has girl-Vision been raped yet?
(Which is not to imply that I would like for that to happen, or think it would be good writing, etc.)
Why all the endless Vision-hate, Marvel?
Joe Quesada doesn't care about synthetic people.
Haven't read all the comments so I may be repeating what others have already said but:
1) She doesn't have that kind of power, never has except a West Coast Avengers storyline where Immortus turned her into a repository of temporal energy or something. Which puts her in a catatonic state where she has the power to alter timelines but no will of her own to use it.
2) Her children never existed except as manifestation of her (enhanced) power, and even so she can't really create life or a soul, so the twins used one of the fragments of Mephisto's soul?? that he tricked Master Pandemonium into tracking down for him as a template.
3) In the Bendisverse, helpful Chuck is very 'no recreating imaginary worlds to make yourself happy Wanda'. Moron. Dude she's dangerous break out the inhibitor collar or install a mindblock you sanctimonious twit.
Wanda kept creating and killing her children depending on her mental state. She is just a bit loony.
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