Saturday, March 04, 2006

Quick Infinite Crisis Question

So, there's no IN-STORY reason for the books all leaping forward one year?

28 Comments:

Blogger Steve Pheley said...

Not as far as I can tell from what's come out so far. It's just time passing.

3/04/2006 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

Doesn't look like it. So stupid my head almost exploded in the store. Imagine if I had bought it. My wife and children may have joined me in a horrendous fireball of inanity!

3/04/2006 05:43:00 PM  
Blogger Steve Pheley said...

Okay, now I'm just confused by the question and Greg's answer. What were people expecting? Some kind of cosmic event that actually moved time forward one year?

3/04/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Zard said...

Well, in story, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman have been missing for that whole year. As in not active. At all. For a as of yet unknown reason.

So if they didn't jump ahead a year, they'd have to find a way to leave out current in-continuity Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman stories.

3/04/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger DCUBoy said...

I don't understant why people have been confused by this. The OYL books take place one year after Infinite Crisis ended! Not Infinite Crisis #5. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman will probably dissapear at the end of Infinite Crisis. Sorry if I sound like a jerk but I have seen this question all over the internet.

3/04/2006 06:22:00 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

I expected that once IC wrapped up we'd find out the answers, but I remember when this was solicited they made a big deal about #5 being the one where everything moved forward, so that's why I was puzzled. Like I said, I didn't read it, just skimmed it, and once the whole thing is done, it might make perfect sense.

3/04/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

Right, so if Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman disappear at the end of #7, why not do One Year Later THEN?

As Greg points out, for months, we have been told that, due to events of #5, they will go to One Year Later.

Well, #5 came out, and there was no reason for One Year Later in it.

Soooo...there's no IN-STORY reason for the books all leaping forward one year?

3/04/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger kalinara said...

Why would there need to be an in-comic reason for the passing of time? It's time.

Besides, this way, they get to clear up some of the crap from long running plotlines and start from a vaguely fresh point for all the characters. Part of making the DCU a little lighter by loosening up some of that baggage.

I don't know if it'll work, but it's worth a try. Besides, it's rather neat seeing where they ended up and wondering how they got there.

3/04/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Blogger Ragnell said...

I'm sorry, this is the dumbest question you've ever asked. The one year leap is a story format chosen for marketing. Expecting an in-story reason is like expecting an in-story reaason to begin an issue in the middle of the action and then flashback back to the build-up. There is no in-story reason. It's a choice made by the writer because he feels this is the way to build tension.

This, this is marketing strategy. They're doing the leap before the end of the mini-series in order to build tension. This way, everyone gets two months of aftermath so that they can see that the promised world-changing effect really did take place, but that's far enough away from the event itself to have the actual ending completely shrouded in mystery.

You may as well ask what's the in-story reason for narration boxes that tell us the city.

3/04/2006 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Ron said...

Hell, for that matter, even the DC advertorial between the last page of IC #5 and the OYL ads says that in #5, "the mystics of every world and dimension seek help from the very spirit that is destroying them." And there was NONE of that in the actual issue.

3/04/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger Hale of Angelthorne said...

"Part of making the DCU a little lighter by loosening up some of that baggage."

Right, along with bringing back 257 alternate universes featuring everything from Bat-Mite to Superman-Earth Potato.
I'm really gonna hate the post-Crisis DCU, aren't I? C'mon, you can be straight with me; I can take it.
(sob!)

3/04/2006 07:32:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

"Spinning out of the incredible ending of INFINITE CRISIS #5, the "One Year Later" issues introduce a spectacular array of new creative talents ..."

"In ‘Infinite Crisis #5’, the DCU will undergo a unifying event that will center all continuity in their comics."

"Following on from the fall out of Infinite Crisis #5, the entire line of DC comics will shift ahead one year."

"Infinite Crisis #5 - Which events in this continuing epic will lead us to One Year Later? What worlds live?"

Soooo...there IS no IN-STORY reason for the books all leaping forward one year?

It's fair enough if that is the case, I'm merely asking.

Certainly seems to be a straightforward (and logical) question with the preceding statements.

But I'll allow that I should not have presumed that all readers would understand the reference, so I suppose I can understand the incredulous responses.

3/04/2006 08:54:00 PM  
Blogger T. said...

Far as I can tell, OYL's only purpose is to sell 52.

3/04/2006 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Kelson said...

Right, along with bringing back 257 alternate universes featuring everything from Bat-Mite to Superman-Earth Potato.

You're assuming that the end of #5 is the new status quo. A month ago, people thought that Earth 2 was the new status quo.

I don't think we'll see the shape of the post-IC DCU until the story is actually done.

3/04/2006 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Waaza said...

Thank you, Brian, for posting those solicits!

It seems rather inevitable now that InC is off its rails--Ordway, Reis, and Perez all adding more pages. I doubt they have a clear ending in mind even now.

3/04/2006 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Iron Lungfish said...

"Soooo...there's no IN-STORY reason for the books all leaping forward one year?"

You're thinking of this backwards. One Year Later isn't happening because of Infinite Crisis; rather, Infinite Crisis is happening because of One Year Later. The whole point of the thing is to set up the line-wide revamp and the weekly "52" series; there's no indication that anything else is being done (i.e., a readjustment of "the tone," a return to the multiverse, etc.). Instead, DC just picked a strategy that would sell a ton of comics - individual revamps and creative team changes on all their books, along with a time gap gimmick and a weekly series everyone's expected to buy in the meantime. The whole thing's so nakedly profit-driven it doesn't need an in-story explanation. Crisis 2 isn't a tool or a lunchbox so much as it is a flag or an explosion of fireworks - a means of DC to get your attention by yelling "Hey! Spend money here!"

3/04/2006 11:50:00 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

I'm gonna be completely naive here and ask if it's possible the plan was to have something huge happen at the end of IC 5, and the OYL would come from it, so they planned a big marketing strategy, but then some "creative difficulty" happened, and so now the big event will happen just a touch later, or perhaps not at all.

Oh, excuse me. Gotta go. The tooth fairy is at the door with James Frey's new memoir.

3/05/2006 01:14:00 AM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

Ha!

Hey, Sam, I am not knocking that theory!

It's why I'm posing the question! I'm open to theories!

3/05/2006 01:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Ron said...

Oh, I think that totally nails it. As I pointed out earlier, everybody at DC seemed to think that IC #5 was going to involve the Spectre in some massive way--but whatever massive, up-to-the-last-minute tweaking they've been doing on the storyline bumped that thread out of the issue.

The thing that gets me is that we've known for WEEKS that Superman was fighting Superman, because it was spread out all over his comics, so this battle, which I gather was a couple weeks late from its original pub date, is incredibly anti-climactic.

3/05/2006 01:46:00 AM  
Blogger Harvey Jerkwater said...

Help me out here. I'm not reading Infinite Crisis. How does #5 end? Given the hype that I've read, which Cronin was so good as to quote, I was under the impression that #5 would end with the Big Three gathering together and striding off against The Big Menace in deep space or some such. Then issues #6 and 7 would be set "one year later," showing the aftermath and wrapping up the story.

Is that not how it went? How the hell did #5 end?

For all their talk of a "carefully planned event," Crisis 2 seems like as big a kludge job as the first Crisis. Either that or they're adjusting on the fly, which strikes me as a very bad idea. My argument? Four words: "Spider-Man Clone Saga."

On the plus side, the first OYL issue of Batman was surprisingly good, as was Aquaman. Woo!

3/05/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Iron Lungfish said...

"Help me out here. I'm not reading Infinite Crisis. How does #5 end?"

If I recall correctly, it was something like, "Behold, I am Superboy, shatterer of worlds."

3/05/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

All I know is, if they don't tell us what happens when the numbers reach zero, I'm gonna -- what? Oh. Sorry, wrong plotting mess.

3/05/2006 03:31:00 PM  
Blogger Apodaca said...

"Part of making the DCU a little lighter by loosening up some of that baggage"

Raplh Dibney putting a gun in his mouth seems to indicate otherwise.

3/05/2006 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Matt said...

i'm still sorta feeling my way around comics circa 2006, but part of me was really excited by all the funky time business, even if it also functions as a shameless selling tactic. it's interesting to consider what kind of storytelling tricks can be employed if we're a year ahead of an ongoing story before it ends, or if we're reading books a year ahead of the action in 52.

but since all the OYL books so far sound very tame and unshocking, I'm gonna lean more on the marketing theory.

i'd also be fascinated to hear if the real story behind the creation of this series ever comes out, or if there even IS a real story. didn't didio say at some con (maybe NYCC?) that issue 5 was delayed because he asked them to add some pages? could that not suggest the kind of story tinkering that will lead to a pretty beautiful mess?

3/06/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As Greg points out, for months, we have been told that, due to events of #5, they will go to One Year Later.

On the off chance no one's already pointed this out (I only skimmed most of the thread), it's actually IC #6 that was promised to explain the 1-year jump -- a year will pass between the end of #6 and the beginning of #7.

The problem is that IC is currently three weeks behind schedule for the usual reasons comics get behind schedule. #6 was originally supposed to have appeared at roughly the same time as the first 1-year-later books.

3/06/2006 05:31:00 PM  
Blogger Brian Cronin said...

So there IS an "in-story" reason for the one-year leap?

Cool by me.

However, while I will allow that things had to change due to the book being late, I differ with the statement "it's actually IC #6 that was promised to explain the 1-year jump," because I've already shown the statements that said that #5 was promised to explain the 1-year leap.

But cool, if it's in #6, that's something!!

3/06/2006 09:02:00 PM  
Anonymous filipe said...

"Help me out here. I'm not reading Infinite Crisis. How does #5 end? Given the hype that I've read, which Cronin was so good as to quote, I was under the impression that #5 would end with the Big Three gathering together and striding off against The Big Menace in deep space or some such."

Wonder Woman and Superman are together, along with Kal-L who finally gets he is being manipulated. Batman has a assembled a team to take down Brother Eye (probably in the OMAC special).And there's a couple of other subplots open around the space team nd Nightwing/Superboy. In the last pages a Flash that looks like Barry Allen came out of the speed force saying "we could not hold him" and there's a final page of Superboy-Prime in the Anti-Monitor armor. I really don't know how they gonna tie so many subplots in two issues.

To be fair to DC both Johns and Didio had being telling in interviews for a few months now that OYL would be done so the books didn't have to deal with Crisis fallout and there would be no big explanation for it. On the other hand the press releases had being hyping both issues 5 and 6 as explaining the jump, while 52 press-releases made clear that it starts just after Infinite Crisis #7.

Given that Didio did told Newsarama last week that #5 was late because he asked for two new pages on the last moment, it's not like they are trying to hide that they're still changing stuff.

3/07/2006 04:21:00 PM  
Anonymous JR said...

I'm thinking it's the moment where Kal-L gets split into all those alternate versions of Superman. That same moment is repeated at the end of most of pre OYL books that I've seen.

How that leads into One Year Later exactly I dunno.

3/07/2006 07:16:00 PM  

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