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I think the lack of plot or the fact the series is...

2006-05-21T18:34:00.000-04:00

I think the lack of plot or the fact the series is so slowly paced (especially considering the erratic publishing schedule) is what's keeping me from loving this book. I do like the point you made about Batman and Robin putting on the facades in front of each other. It's Miller taking the piss out of the macho posturing we typically get from Batman.

Not crazy about Superman and the JLA coming in so soon. I kind of wanted to see more of the Batman cast in this book.

"The Batcave pullout is just plain cool. I can't i...

2006-05-21T04:04:00.000-04:00

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The Batcave pullout is just plain cool. I can't imagine the haters of this book not liking that. It didn't cost extra."

Well, it also means that we got less pages of story.

All Star Superman is "What If Byrne Never Took Ove...

2006-05-20T18:01:00.000-04:00

All Star Superman is "What If Byrne Never Took Over?" All Star Batman is "What If Miller Never Took His Medication?"

I liked this issue as well. I hope people stuck ar...

2006-05-20T17:45:00.000-04:00

I liked this issue as well. I hope people stuck around long enough to get this one because there were so much hate piled on this book at least in the small world of message boards.

As for Superman, we are listening to Batman's thoughts about Superman so I am not sure Superman knew the full extent of Batman's mindset toward him.

I think Superman does what Batman wants because an innocent life is at stake and that's the priority.

The Batcave pullout is just plain cool. I can't imagine the haters of this book not liking that. It didn't cost extra.

I don't think the universes of All Star Batman and Robin and All Star Superman are shared universes.

The idea that Batman was responsible for the death of Dick Grayson's parents is only something I read online and its an insane thought. It was established that the murder of Grayson's parents forced Batman to "recruit" him earlier then he wanted, which was also stressed again in the latest issue.

The Alfred scene shows that Batman can't push him around. It also shows the fact that Batman is not the only person who will raise Dick Grayson. Batman is preparing Dick Grayson for war and Alfred is preparing him for life.

"I also enjoyed that Miller reveals that Batman sp...

2006-05-19T13:16:00.000-04:00

"I also enjoyed that Miller reveals that Batman specifically did NOT kill Robin's parents."

Was there speculation to that effect? Because if there was, I missed it. It's about the one crime I haven't seen Dirty Batman accused of. :)

Ahhh, I hadn't heard that the All Star line wasn't...

2006-05-18T23:12:00.000-04:00

Ahhh, I hadn't heard that the All Star line wasn't a shared continuity. I can dig that scene, then. What is it with Frank Miller always making Superman his bitch? First Dark Knight Returns, now this.

Also, I can see what Brian is saying about the relationship between Alfred and Batman, but it still bugs me. I can't grok wanting to be seen as a badass so much that you would shit all over the man who raised you.

You think of the rat thing as a highlight. Interes...

2006-05-18T19:55:00.000-04:00

You think of the rat thing as a highlight. Interesting.

Oh, but if they WERE a shared universe, then kalel...

2006-05-18T17:50:00.000-04:00

Oh, but if they WERE a shared universe, then kalel666 would be right on the money - the Superman scene wouldn't work very well.

In the Frank Miller Batman-verse, though, the scene is hilarious, I think.

As for Alfred, that scene worked for me because I think it is just an example of Alfred cutting through Batman's act, and Batman knowing it. Alfred knows Batman is not ACTUALLY going to hit him and won't ACTUALLY force him to do anything Alfred doesn't want to do, and it infuriates Batman that Alred knows this about him.

"Presumably, the All Star Batman and Superman exis...

2006-05-18T17:13:00.000-04:00

"Presumably, the All Star Batman and Superman exist in the same universe."

Bad assumption. As far as I remember, Didio pretty much said that each of the "All-Star" books was standalone - each creator with his own take on the character unconstrained by any continuity other than internal story continuity.

The All-Star line isn't like the Marvel Ultimate line - its less continuity driven and more creator driven.

I liked the issue, but I had a couple problems wit...

2006-05-18T17:07:00.000-04:00

I liked the issue, but I had a couple problems with it. One, I can't see Superman just bending over for Batman like that. Presumably, the All Star Batman and Superman exist in the same universe. Morrison has portrayed Superman so far as more than just a muscle in a suit. All Star Superman seems more than all brawn to me, and I think he would be a little more sanguine about Batman ordering him around, secret identity or no.

Second, that whole scene at the end with Alfred just felt wrong. Grabbing Alfred byt he lapels and pushing him around? I don't see it.