Comments on Comics Should Be Good: Infinite Crisis #7 Review

"Making the DC Universe a little brighter."Example...

2006-05-12T22:59:00.000-04:00

"Making the DC Universe a little brighter."

Examples?

Well I loved it because it entertained me, which, ...

2006-05-10T23:27:00.000-04:00

Well I loved it because it entertained me, which, to me, makes it a good comic.

But then I feel no need to take my entertainment that seriously....Otherwise I wouldn't find it entertaining.

Paul Newell

"But I do recall that it was exciting and fun at t...

2006-05-10T22:31:00.000-04:00

"But I do recall that it was exciting and fun at the time, and that's because, Multiverse or no Multiverse, it had an ultimately positive and joyous vision, linked to the fact that it was a celebration."

I'd like to think of it as ultimately positive except that at the very end... the heroes lost.

They did.

Billions died. If the heroes were really out to protect the worlds, it's not a wonderful way to go about positive feeling when all the worlds but one are dead.

Here's a cute thing: Infinite Crisis in 30 Second...

2006-05-10T15:38:00.000-04:00

Here's a cute thing:
Infinite Crisis in 30 Seconds

"I was going blind trying to follow all the stuff ...

2006-05-10T14:08:00.000-04:00

"I was going blind trying to follow all the stuff crammed into the grotesquely overloaded George Perez panels. And I still have no idea WHY an Infinite Crisis was even necessary in the first place. Crisis on Infinite Earths? Sure, obviously. The DCU was bloated, sprawling, inconsistent; it didn't have to all disappear in a puff of antimatter, but I can see an argument for it, at least. Infinite Crisis, I just don't get it. What was so terrible about the DCU that this was necessary? Or was it all just a big overloaded marketing ploy?"

The saddest thing is, they led us to believe that Infinite Crisis was the springboard to a more humane, less dreary, less grim D.C.

Then what did we get? Arms ripped out of sockets, eyes poked through the back of skulls, brains blown out, mass meaningless death.

It kind of makes the "big climax" with Wonder Woman making the unexplained and inconsistant leap to "no more killing" ring pretty hollow.

"Superman, ok, he lost his powers flying through a...

2006-05-10T14:03:00.000-04:00

"Superman, ok, he lost his powers flying through a red sun. Fair enough. but Wonder Woman and Batman just taking a year off to go find themselves? That's really lame."

Actually, the story is so poorly written IT WASN'T EVEN CLEARLY APPARENT THAT SUPERMAN HAD LOST HIS POWERS.

After re-reading it a few times and seeing some posts on the internet I connected the dots, but the first time I read it I was just confused as to how Superman could even SURVIVE entering a red sun. I had no idea he lost his powers as a result.

I distinctly remember that right from the start, t...

2006-05-10T14:01:00.000-04:00

I distinctly remember that right from the start, the main thrust of the original crisis was to simplify, condense and improve the D.C. Universe. They advertised it that way, they referred it as such in interviews at the time. Even at that time, getting rid of the multiple earths and revamping D.C.'s history was highly controversial. Remember that most of the D.C. Universe rebooted at about that time, pretty much wiping the golden, silver, and bronze eras from history. Sure, they were celebrating 50 years, but that the point wasn't to just celebrate, it was to start fresh. The powers that be felt that the D.C. Universe had become too complicated with too much history for new readers to understand.

The funny thing is, I read all those comics AS A KID and had no problems understanding them. Or in picking up new titles and easily figuring out what was going on in them. They used to explain the entire "multiple earths" concept in what, 2 panels?

However, today, as an adult, after numerous reboots, revamps, alternate realities, All Star versions, ignored continuity, retcons, re-imaginings, etc. I couldn't tell you much about the history of any D.C. character, what is in continuity, what isn't, or even IF THERE IS a continuity. Try explaining the Legion of Super Heroes or Hawkman in 4 sentences or less to someone who has never read a comic before, then tell me again how much simpler everything is.

Not to mention that half the stuff they got rid of has been BROUGHT BACK, but only as a pale shadow of the original versions.

None of these problems existed before COIE, and attempts to "fix" things have only made them worse.

Throw in rapes, bloody mutilations, excessive violence, and gore in the name of "shock value" and is it any wonder that comics sales have gone down the tubes in the last 25 years or so? Sure, the direct market had a lot to do with it too, but all this other stuff is what has alienated and driven away the existing dedicated customer base. The violence, confusion, and direct market just make it all the harder to replace them with new customers.

"(Oh, and anyone who thinks this series could have...

2006-05-10T13:29:00.000-04:00

"(Oh, and anyone who thinks this series could have been given to a kid prior to this most recent issue needs to go back to the issues where Superboy was killing the Titans. I knew then that this wasn't a series to give to an 8 year old."

I didn't say that. Just that it reinforces the idea that I wouldn't allow any kid of mine to buy any comic (at least by DC) without me reading through it in the store first anymore.

I think issue #7's biggest problem stems from the ...

2006-05-10T11:31:00.000-04:00

I think issue #7's biggest problem stems from the fact that it wasn't supported by anything else. I mean, a lot of stuff is just touched on quickly in IC #1-6, and various crossover books and tie-ins expand on them. You read IC, you get a sense of the big picture, and you read the tie-in stuff, you get the details. Pain to follow, yes, pain on the wallet, absolutely, but the information is there.

Problem is, IC #7 is written in that same "broad brushstroke" style, but since all the other titles have already jumped One Year Later, there's none of that same support detail stuff going on.

I thought issue 7 was basically OK but could have ...

2006-05-10T01:37:00.000-04:00

I thought issue 7 was basically OK but could have been better. The Green Lantern sequence basically made the book for me (minus the stupid super-breath part) and I was excited to see Wild Dog because I enjoyed the series way back when.

Nice to see Kal-El give Superboy a good whuppin.

But the fight in Metropolis was a severe let down after the Villains United special and I didn't need to see Earth-2 Superman drowning in buckets of blood.

Honestly, the biggest flaw is how they removed Sup...

2006-05-09T23:04:00.000-04:00

Honestly, the biggest flaw is how they removed Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman from the canvas for a year. I'm sorry, it should have been...bigger than that.

Superman, ok, he lost his powers flying through a red sun. Fair enough. but Wonder Woman and Batman just taking a year off to go find themselves? That's really lame.

I also would have liked them to be bold enough to have not killed off Kal-L, but that's just me.

Issue #7 is not very good, it is true. It's a messy collection of scenes, not held together by much of anything of a narrative. It's not even as good of a lead-in to 52 as it should have been.

I still like the OYL concept and the ambition of 52. And so far, a number of titles have taken advantage of it and done well. Of course, I'm a sucker for this sort of gimmick, having loved the LSH "5 Years After" reboot (which rocked, just about up to the point where they blew up Earth).

I was going blind trying to follow all the stuff c...

2006-05-09T18:56:00.000-04:00

I was going blind trying to follow all the stuff crammed into the grotesquely overloaded George Perez panels. And I still have no idea WHY an Infinite Crisis was even necessary in the first place. Crisis on Infinite Earths? Sure, obviously. The DCU was bloated, sprawling, inconsistent; it didn't have to all disappear in a puff of antimatter, but I can see an argument for it, at least. Infinite Crisis, I just don't get it. What was so terrible about the DCU that this was necessary? Or was it all just a big overloaded marketing ploy?

"All the big heroes of earth disappearing for a ye...

2006-05-09T18:22:00.000-04:00

"All the big heroes of earth disappearing for a year? All their monthly books jumping ahead one year? A yearly title written just to explain what they did for the year?

Sounds like a great idea!

When Marvel did it with Secret War in the eighties, that is."

Now, now anonymous - during the Secret War, the heroes were gone for about a week and the books jumped forward for a week (I think - it may have been a month, but I distinctly recall it being about a week). The miniseries itself lasted a year, but not the "real time" that they were gone.

On the other hand, Heroes Reborn had the major heroes gone for a real year (or so - I don't remember this one exactly either). Now, that whole thing was pretty much crap, but it did bring about a run on the Thunderbolts that was a lot of fun and one of the better stories I recall Marvel producing at the time. Hopefully 52 will have some good things come out of it as well.

As for using Crisis as "cleanup", if I recall interviews with Wolfman correctly, the whole "Use the Crisis to give a single universe and clean things up" bit came about AFTER the series had started getting plotted. With both IC and Zero Hour, it seems like the continuity revisions are giving rise to the story, and I think that may be why they come across as lesser works.

(And, yes, I did re-read Crisis recently and while it isn't as good as I may have recalled, it still holds up pretty well. It drags on a bit towards the middle, and bits of the ending feel kind of "tacked on", but at least the fight scenes are exciting and the main villain's plots and goals seem to hold up throughout...)

Supposedly the whole idea behind Crises on Infinit...

2006-05-09T18:10:00.000-04:00

Supposedly the whole idea behind Crises on Infinite Earths/Zero Hour/Infinite Crisis was to make the DC universe less complicated and easier to understand.

I don't know about Zero Hour or IC, but I think it's off-base to say "the whole idea" behind COIE was to make the DC Universe less complicated. This has probably been stated repeatedly in places I haven't seen, but the genesis of COIE was that DC was looking for ways to celebrate 50 years of publishing comics. Packing as many of its characters (including ones it had bought from other companies) as possible into one giant colorful box seemed like the obvious answer. That raised some obvious problems: How do you get characters from different times (from Anthro through Kamandi and beyond) all together in the same story? How do you get characters from different "continuities" (meaning, in large measure, characters not originally published by DC and in some cases never published by DC) all together in one story?

There were probably several ways to answer those questions, but certainly a plot that involved the dissolution of temporal and dimensional boundaries was a likely suspect. COIE was the plot they came up with to do that. Once they'd come up with the story, DC loudly touted the wonders of unifying the "confusing" Multiverse. But I suspect that solving that "problem" was more of a by-product of trying to satisfy all these goals than it was a driving force.

Why does any of this matter? Well, remember that COIE was put out in an era when massive crossovers were not yet known to be cash cows. Not only that, but it was a product of the very uncynical editorial reign of Dick Giordano at DC. Its purpose was celebratory, and so, for the most part, was its tone. Sure, Barry Allen and Kara Zor-el were killed - but they died in ways that honored and celebrated heroic ideals.

Twenty years later, I can't say whether COIE is a good story - I haven't read it in a long time, and I've changed since it first came out. But I do recall that it was exciting and fun at the time, and that's because, Multiverse or no Multiverse, it had an ultimately positive and joyous vision, linked to the fact that it was a celebration. Infinite Crisis seems to have had little reason for existing other than to "start a buzz" and rake in the bucks. Making money is certainly a sine qua non of the comics business, like any other business - but that doesn't mean it has to be the only motivation.

"Supposedly the whole idea behind Crises on Infini...

2006-05-09T17:08:00.000-04:00

"Supposedly the whole idea behind Crises on Infinite Earths/Zero Hour/Infinite Crisis was to make the DC universe less complicated and easier to understand.

Boy did THAT fail. Understanding the concept of Earth-1, Earth-2 etc. was child's play compared to making sense of the D.C. Universe of today. Here we are in 2006 and they are STILL trying to fix the mess of things that COIE created, and every time they do it just gets worse."

It all stems back to DC's fundamental flaw: they always try t explain every change in-story. Instead of just closing out the old DC universe and starting a brand-new one, they had to do an in-story revamp that just made it more confusing.

All the big heroes of earth disappearing for a yea...

2006-05-09T17:03:00.000-04:00

All the big heroes of earth disappearing for a year? All their monthly books jumping ahead one year? A yearly title written just to explain what they did for the year?

Sounds like a great idea!

When Marvel did it with Secret War in the eighties, that is.

Supposedly the whole idea behind Crises on Infinit...

2006-05-09T13:16:00.000-04:00

Supposedly the whole idea behind Crises on Infinite Earths/Zero Hour/Infinite Crisis was to make the DC universe less complicated and easier to understand.

Boy did THAT fail. Understanding the concept of Earth-1, Earth-2 etc. was child's play compared to making sense of the D.C. Universe of today. Here we are in 2006 and they are STILL trying to fix the mess of things that COIE created, and every time they do it just gets worse.

Overall, agreed... I enjoyed Infinite Crisis as a...

2006-05-09T12:25:00.000-04:00

Overall, agreed... I enjoyed Infinite Crisis as a whole, I think, but the last issue was disappointing. It did feel rushed, and it was confusing and a little forced.

And the red inkless background was possibly the worst moment in any comic I've seen in some time. It looked terrible. My immediate thought was that it was not done in time. IF it was a stylistic choice (which I find very hard to believe) it is a TERRIBLE choice. It makes ALL the people in the background unidentifiable without spending like five to ten minutes scrutinizing them.

I don't think this says anything bad against 52, though. I still have high hopes for it. If anything, I would guess that since they DO have 52 firing on all cylendars and running on time, it forced them to put this out early. They can't start 52 late and then catch up later. It's already weekly. 2 issues in 1 week would be a terrible idea. So being one week off would throw the whole solicitations for all the months' worth they've done.

The first six issues of IC were decent "BIG EVENT"...

2006-05-09T09:26:00.000-04:00

The first six issues of IC were decent "BIG EVENT" fare. It had some big stupid superhero battles and some interesting moments. It suffered from Johns's writing style (which is to say, moving from one "SHOCK" to the next "SHOCK" without really giving you much time to let the "SHOCK" sink in), but whatever. I was set to put this one up around Legends or Marvel's Infinity Gauntlet as far as big events go. (I had to get over my own innate biases against an "event" that casts the Earth Prime Superboy and Earth-3 Luthor as villains, given the happy ending they got at the end of Crisis, but whatever, its comics).

But that last issue - totally deflated. Its like it had all of Johns's usually writing problems taken to the nth degree. Every page or so was another SHOCK or overwhelming visual, or something. And of course the art was rushed (I wasn't expecting anything different), but the script seemed rushed too. Like Johns only had a vague idea of what he wanted to do and had to throw his outline out to the pencillers to work with.

I dunno. Its still better than Bloodlines, and at least its more exciting than Millenium, but damn, after that Villains United special I was looking forward to a big exciting superhero vs supervillain war, and it felt like I only got about a half dozen or so pages of that.

(Oh, and anyone who thinks this series could have been given to a kid prior to this most recent issue needs to go back to the issues where Superboy was killing the Titans. I knew then that this wasn't a series to give to an 8 year old.

I think it's very hard for a Big Event like this t...

2006-05-09T08:36:00.000-04:00

I think it's very hard for a Big Event like this to ever be a good story. I'm sure it can be done; I just can't think of any examples. And there were so many competing priorities for 'Infinite Crisis' that I'm not surprised that a few pieces fell off the table.

So maybe it wasn't a good comic. Was it a good Big Event? Very possibly. I think it positioned DC very well to make better comics in the future. Of course, they still have to go do it.

And I did enjoy the series. There was good stuff in it. Even in #7.

I quite liked IC.But the last issue was a mess.Wha...

2006-05-09T05:47:00.000-04:00

I quite liked IC.

But the last issue was a mess.

Whatever.

I'll wait a couple of months and then I'll reread it in one sitting.

Infinite Crisis was one of those events that start...

2006-05-09T02:38:00.000-04:00

Infinite Crisis was one of those events that started out well-managed, and then slowly but surely slid into the abyss. Back when the four miniseries were going on, I was quite impressed with how well coordinated DC seemed to be. It clearly didn't last. Infinite Crisis only got worse and worse, with this issue being the icing on the cake.

The inkless red backgrounds. Alex Luthor baldly expositing on the effects of the latest change in status quo. Superboy Prime being Superboy Prime. The terrible battle between three characters only distinguishable by minute details.
Earth-2 Superman continuing to be mind-numbingly stupid. Superboy Prime not being dead. NO ONE liked Superboy Prime, and no one is clamoring for his return.

I'm highly uncertain about the editorial changes at play here. Everyone remembers everything? What the hell does that mean? Does everyone remember Earth-2 Superman fighting in World War II, or just the JSA? Does Black Canary remember believing she was her own mother, or how she used to be a founding member of the Justice League but no longer is?

So yeah. That was slightly less than half an ass.

"Apparently Jiminez just couldn't shoulder the bur...

2006-05-09T02:10:00.000-04:00

"Apparently Jiminez just couldn't shoulder the burden."

To be fair, I don't think anyone figured he COULD, as he's just not that type of artist, so it was unrealistic of DC to expect more from him.

I actually liked most of Infinite Crisis (despite ...

2006-05-09T01:55:00.000-04:00

I actually liked most of Infinite Crisis (despite the stupid decapitations) until this issue.

5 Pages of superheroes covered in blood is just sickening. I can't think of letting any child of mine buy comics on their own if this is mainstream comics now. Not to mention you couldn't tell which of the 3 was which in most of it except for the occasional grey stripe of hair. It was just a mess of blood.

Not to mention the (apparently unintentional) loose ends, painful dialogue (and I like most of Johns dialogue for the fun factor), and very sloppy art. It even seemed like Perez was rushed on the cover.

I had high hopes for 52, but if they have to rush in the same way to keep it "on schedule," I might as well cancel it now.

The series had its moments, but as a whole it was ...

2006-05-08T23:12:00.000-04:00

The series had its moments, but as a whole it was pretty lacking. I'm really surprised by the amount of sloppiness involved given how far in advance DC was preparing for this series. Apparently Jiminez just couldn't shoulder the burden.

The whole Crisis rigamarole did generate some good stuff though, like Villains United, the OYL Batman and Superman books, and some spotlight time for lesser known characters.

I'm also intrigued by 52, which probably couldn't happen w/o IC.

I definitely think Civil War has a lot more potential for success, since it seems to actually have a destination in mind and a superior creative team.